Ben Rhodes

Yeah, look, I mean, and I think that's the that's the real issue.

And a lot of that is overlooked.

I mean, I think people are there's not enough sort of understanding of what that actually means for like ordinary people who, in theory, are the ones who are trying to help.

All right.

Talk soon.

Welcome back to Pod Save the World.

I'm Ben Rhodes.

And right now, Tommy is about 35,000 feet over the Pacific, flying back from Pod Save America's Australia and New Zealand tour.

But with me today to help steer this ship is my friend, Eamon Moyheldin.

Eamon, thanks so much for being here.

So Eamon, if you're not watching, he's the host of The Weekend Primetime, which are Saturdays and Sundays on MSNOW at 6 p.m.

Eastern.

And Eamon, we are now colleagues not just at MS, where I'm a contributor, but now there's this crooked MS.

We're crossing the streams, as they say.

So some crooked content is going to be on a show on MS.

Maybe this, I don't know, maybe you pop up on your own network here.

Yeah.

Yeah, you got to show up everywhere.

And we may have to get you here for a podcast, man.

Anytime, anytime.