Ben Rhodes

And the same thing, there wasn't kind of a relentless effort to kind of spotlight just how much things had gone wrong and who was to blame for that and to hold them accountable.

Look, I think that the next Democratic president is going to come in.

Things are going to get worse in the next couple of years.

So, first of all, I think it's going to be very apparent to Americans just how deep of a hole we're in by the time of the next presidential election.

I think you have to come in with speed.

You're not coming...

to restore normalcy.

You're coming in an emergency situation.

I mean, I think the analogy would be, and I just spent four years in American history because of working on this book.

The analogy would be FDR, who was one of the chapters in my book, but when he came in

It was not normal.

We're moving fast.

We're doing huge things.

And I think that we have to come in, hold people accountable.

We have to reveal all the corruption.

Don't hesitate from looking back.

I mean, I'll leave it to the justice system to deal with people who've committed crimes.

But beyond that,

I think there should be a relentless focus on spotlighting the grift and corruption and dismantling of the US government that was done.

There has to be a rapid effort to uproot anything that is entrenched in the US government that is MAGA ideology or grift.