Ben Rhodes

Break, break.

The other things that I take away, the incoherence about what comes next inside of Iran.

You know, he's calling reporters.

I mean, the Times one is a journey.

He had a six minute conversation with The New York Times that in and of itself is a journey, because on the one hand, he's saying the Iranian people can rise up and, you know, it can be this regime change.

On the other hand, he's saying we can do the Venezuela model and just deal with the regime.

Right.

This is a guy who has no idea what his own plan is, because, first of all, the Venezuelan model is impossible inside of Iran.

Like this is a much more ideological, heavily armed regime.

And it's far more likely to fracture than that.

There's one if there's one individual who raises their hand to be the Delcy Rodriguez.

You know, that's a Venezuelan vice president who took over the person who raises their hand in the Iranian system to be that person.

It probably doesn't have a very long life expectancy inside of Iran.

So when you take the totality of the scale of bombing that they're doing and the destruction that's being wrought and the absence of a plan, it just feels like some regime implosion or some kind of cornered, angry IRGC-type regime is most likely to emerge.

We'll see.

The only other thing I want to say about Trump, Tommy, is that

You know, you can say this anytime he opens his mouth, but every other U.S.

president who's launched a war, you can kind of feel the gravity on their shoulders.

You know, the degree to which this guy doesn't give a shit.

I mean, right now he is killing.