Ben Terris

Yeah, well, thanks for having me on.

Honestly, it's a big story because it has to be a big story.

This is an almost 80-year-old man who's leading this country.

We've seen with our own eyes plenty of signs that he's not, as he says, the healthiest man alive.

The bruising you mentioned, swollen cankles, seeming to nod off in meetings, you know, bandages on the back of his hands.

You know, it's important to make sure on a regular basis that the person in charge, the most powerful man in the entire world, to make sure that he's doing well, both cognitively and physically.

And so when I set out to write this story in December, the question was, is he okay?

It's very hard to get to the bottom of that.

And like you said, here's a man who for a long time has been able to tell people, don't believe what you're seeing with your own eyes.

And with his health and with other issues, people are seeing such signs of

I don't know, distress.

I mean, you look at what happened in Minneapolis.

You know, he talks about how immigration is going perfectly smoothly, and clearly it's not.

He's sort of losing control of his own personal narrative here.

And I think that the health is a very good example of that, where he really, truly wants you to believe that he's superhuman.

He's sending out, you know, all of his men to tell me that he's superhuman.

He's going on television himself to talk about it.

And we just see with our own eyes that, you know, he may be struggling in ways that he's not ready to admit.

Yeah, it was a very strange experience.

I went to the Oval Office for this story, expected just to be talking to President Trump.