Ben Tonra

So it's part of a pattern that we have to take seriously and we have to address both in terms of resourcing, but also just in terms of thinking that Ireland is a place that people want to get information out of and security is a big issue.

Yeah, and that's a big geostrategic question.

I mean, if we're writing off, at least for the moment, the United States as a reliable partner, Europe needs people, needs supply chains, needs rare minerals, needs things that the Chinese have got.

So therefore, you do have this conversation as to where Europe fits...

between the U.S.

and China and what European policy should be.

And then individual national governments matter and shaping the opinion in individual national European governments matter, which is why Ireland, again, would actually be a very, very good prime target because, as we've said, we're going to have the presidency of the European Council for six months and shaping that agenda.

Yeah, I did because, I mean, I agree 100%.

It is a very serious issue.

But you deal with that issue in terms of denying boarding to people by arresting people, by prosecuting people, by putting them on no-fly lists.

You don't do it by banning booze in the airport at 5 o'clock in the morning because, you know, Michael O'Leary, particularly Michael O'Leary, who's constantly whining about regulations and red tape and people telling him what to do,

who's he to tell me that I'm not allowed to have a pint at 5 if I want to have a pint at 5 in the morning before I catch my flight?

So back off my pint, Mick O'Leary, but take the issue seriously both in terms of the airport, in terms of the airlines, and in terms of the legal system.

She's not called up.

And to such an extent that their political reaction is let's burn the house down.

And they hand the keys over to the closest party.

But I mean, if that level of frustration isn't addressed and isn't addressed in a way that delivers sort of practical things that people want in terms of jobs, in terms of employment, in terms of wage growth, etc.,

then that sense of just let's burn the house down and let's see what anybody else can do actually is increased.

And we also have to bear in mind, and this comes back to the security issue, you know, when we looked at those protests, you know, there was a lot of external manipulation of what was going on, a lot of external money trying to manipulate what's going on.

And, you know, we talk about Steve Bannon, but there's money, there's people, there's power behind that from outside the state who through social media were ginning this stuff up and adding fuel to the fire.