Ben van Kerkwyk

I mean, I'm hopeful as well that, yeah, the next generation of academics will be able to embrace a lot of these – the context for some of these ideas and then try to explore them because I think ultimately that's what's needed is some – take some of these ideas seriously and –

bend some of our resources to try and explore them on the ground and in full.

Ultimately, it's the people that have the control and are able to do the real on the ground research are the ones that will be able to confirm or change.

It takes real science in a lot of cases.

Yes, 100%.

They're a little sociopath.

It is vicious.

Well, that's their version of the fight.

I guess it's their mean letters.

It's weird.

Yeah, and it's really only not that long since we've had the ability to apply some of these disciplines to these problems, like engineering.

It's since the industrial revolution that we've even had enough background knowledge to kind of understand these problems because we have to solve them ourselves.

That's what I'm saying, yeah.

100%.

It's these other disciplines that have a whole different take on it.

And it's, again, not a criticism of archaeologists to say they're not engineers.

They're not engineers.

It's just fact.

Yeah, it's fact.

It's like I'm not a dentist.