Benji Naesen

And I look to the rest of the rest of the list, then I assume similarly with Dallarang and Red Bull, with Martin Redich held at Visma back in the day.

Andy Schleck, I'm not completely sure about because it's hard for me to grasp how well he did as deputy general manager in the last year under Luka, for example.

And before that,

I don't remember him being involved in management roles too much.

Didn't he just have like a bike shop and then he went fishing in some GCN documentary with Dan Lloyd?

I think my overwhelming point here is, I think each of these individual people are probably very much competent at their job.

It's making that work together is not just something that happens with a snap of the fingers.

That's a project to make the entire management change and then have them all work perfectly together.

This will happen after the Tour de France 2026.

So by the end of the year, we won't see the fruits of this labor.

This might take a year, this might take a year and a half, two years to all work smoothly.

And then I think about the potential transfers that I see

happening on my Twitter feed rumored-wise.

I see Felix Golland-Muhlberger going to Little Trek.

I see Jordan Jagab being mentioned as a four-year contract at Trek.

I do like seeing Jagab go to Wilter personally, but whether it's the right signing for Trek, we'll jump into.

Jordi Maze, we discussed massively in the last podcast as well.

I look at these transfers and I'm like, this feels a bit similar than what we've had with Little Trek in the last couple of years, except for maybe Maze, which feels like a Red Bull kind of signing.

I don't want to glaze Grisha too much either, but he was also the kind of person that would back out-of-the-box ideas.

And I appreciate that on a personal level.