Bernie Sanders

Absolutely.

It's not even in your hands.

Right, right, right.

Well, you could tell by the assassination.

When the assassination of the UnitedHealthcare guy, when that happened, there was people celebrating.

When is there ever someone gets assassinated on the streets of New York City and people celebrate?

That's terrible.

It's terrible, but it does speak to how people feel about insurance companies.

Right.

Well, and I think rightly so because it's not what you're paying for.

What you're paying for is you're hoping that you never get sick, but if you pay your insurance, you will be covered.

What they're trying to do is make it as difficult as possible for you to get money from them.

Right.

And that's the bottom line.

And when you're dealing with these enormous corporations, like we're talking about this diffusion of responsibility, the people that are doing it, it's like, this is what I have to do.

This is my job.

They don't even think about it.

Right, exactly.

And this all started when?

So Michael Moore had that brilliant documentary, Roger and Me.