Bertie Gregory

And if they haven't managed to get enough calories during that important time when they're on the ice, they need to go looking for stuff.

And so, yes, they will come into contact with humans.

They live in a very sort of inert, smellless environment, and then you have a human settlement.

Suddenly that's like, ooh, opportunity.

And they'll come into that.

So, yeah, when we mess with wild systems, that's when you get more human-wildlife conflict.

But I think kind of sort of taking one step back,

you talk about, you know, saving the world and that idea.

I think one of the biggest communication failures in history is that we have, you know, we've been led to believe that, you know, climate change is about, it was just about temperature and carbon emissions.

These kind of abstract terms, right?

So I can say, oh, 400 parts per million or, you know, it's going to go by three degrees.

Like,

Okay, I sort of get it, but that's basically, if you ask someone on the street that isn't a climate scientist, what's climate change about?

They're going to tell you probably about carbon dioxide and temperature.

But they're not actually the problems.

They are proxies for what the actual problem is, is that those two things, when they go up, lead to the destruction of nature.

So I feel like rather than talking about climate change and how we need to fight that, we should just be talking about the destruction of nature.

Because I feel like everyone can get on board with the fact that if you cut down a really big old tree, that is a bad thing.

And so...

If you also approach it in terms of the giant climate change, and it's such a massive problem and requires so much global cooperation in our broken, divided world, it's very easy to just throw your hands up and go, well...