Bertie Gregory

I just think it's a much more positive, proactive approach.

Yeah, it's a great point.

So I'm really glad you point this out.

brings up so in yeah my new show on disney plus cheetahs up close we filmed cheetahs in the serengeti and because cheetahs are going to be extinct right cheetahs are pretty much gone not doing well yeah so there's you know there's there's less cheetahs in the wild than there are lions uh less cheetahs in the wild than there are rhinos you know that it's it's not good yeah um

But for some reason, I think maybe because they're really, really fast, everyone thinks they're okay.

Yeah.

Because they're fast, they're okay.

And, you know, David Attenborough said, summarized it really well, that we're loving these animals to death.

Because where they are, people want to go see cheetahs.

And in places where tourism is badly managed, they get surrounded by vehicles.

They can't sneak up on their prey.

They can't see bigger predators coming for them and their cubs, the hyenas, the lions, which is actually the biggest challenge that cheetahs face.

And so what I would say to that is,

Wildlife tourism is an amazing thing, if managed correctly, because it gives a value to those animals alive.

If you look in many places where...

well, as an example, I did a show that came out on Disney Plus a few months ago called Dolphins Up Close in the Azores Islands, which are a group of islands off Portugal, exactly, in the Atlantic.

And yeah, that community used to thrive on whaling.

That was their big industry.

And I interviewed this amazing whaler called Daniel.

He'd spent his life whaling and spotting whales.