Bertie Gregory

And yeah, him and the community realized actually

people wanted to go see these whales and they are worth more alive than dead.

And so he now- So it's more sustainable.

Well, he's now spots the whales and instead of calling a whaling boat onto them to harpoon them, he calls in a boat full of tourists to go in and take pictures.

Now, of course, there is the potential for that boat to be disturbing, but if managed correctly, it's a much better thing.

Because I feel like in an ideal world, okay, maybe you could say that

well, we should protect these places and then leave them alone and keep all the people out.

But conservation is as much about the animals as it is about the humans that live in that place.

And those animals, sadly, in our capitalist world have to have an economic value to incentivize protecting them.

So, of course, there's the intrinsic value of looking after these animals.

They're cute.

They're wonderful.

It's the right thing to do.

But we need the extrinsic value, which is the economic one, to make it ironically sustainable in the long term.

But you can get very sad and cynical about it.

But actually, it's like, well, let's just play the game by their rules.

And then we can all agree.

Totally.

When we were there with the cheetahs, the reason that that national park exists and isn't just a giant cow farm or cow pasture is because of the money being brought in from each of the tourists that goes there.

Now-