Bertie Gregory

we saw that in some places it is badly managed.

Right.

So, and actually a study came out that showed that cheetah cub survival was much lower in places that had a lot of tourism.

Yeah.

Oh.

Badly managed tourism.

So this isn't just like, oh, I feel like this is a bad thing when that cheetah family gets surrounded by cars.

No, it's been proven.

So therefore it's really important that we do it correctly.

And so that is, it's on the guide, but I think also it's on us as people that go there and are guests in these places to ask questions because the guides are under huge amounts of pressure there.

safaris for various reasons have traditionally been incredibly expensive and so very exclusive.

Whereas now, mass tourism, cheaper tourism is becoming possible.

And it means that just to make the economics of the trip work, if you're selling it for cheap, people will go on safari not for a week, they will go for one day.

Now, the guide...

he will get a really big tip if he manages to find, you know, all five of the best animals, right?

So he's just got to rip around and for some reason, now that we all have a phone and not, you know, rather than bringing a normal camera,

we now expect to get really close to everything to get a good picture of it.

So we would follow these cheaters from a distance and then over the radio, we were a filming car and they knew what we were doing.

So they always knew, ah, filming car.

They're good at finding the cheaters.