Beth Martens

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10,628 appearances 11 recordings 1 series first heard May 2026 last heard 10 Jul

Beth Martens’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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You can't, it doesn't matter how you think about it or how you justify it.

To some degree.

Now n so I would have been in full agreement about five minutes ago

Having looked into the work of Gurges, I'm really strongly considering this just 'cause he's a smart guy, not a guru and not following him.

I'm just it's just like wow, he's on to it in a lot of m expanded ways.

And so he's talking specifically about morality in one of his books like

Can't remember which one might have uh may might be in search of the miraculous

And he would say

Morality.

from culture to culture will change.

Say and th this is a very poignant example that

In some cultures it would be immoral not to kill.

The person who harmed your brother.

You go to another culture and it would be immoral to kill

The person who harmed your brother.

Like point blank.

You'd be you'd be faced with two different kinds of moralities.

So how would you

reconcile that if there's any need to do that.

Just really quickly, Gurdjeff would say that's the element.

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