Betsy Hicks Russ

They're not holding on to the fear.

So it seems to me that if they're so tapped in – and I know he's tapped in because I see him the way that he connects with his world –

is that if they're not afraid, if they know that the message is all about love, then we all just need to calm down a little bit.

And I keep going back to this and not try to put it in a box, like let it be whatever it's supposed to be.

We're also so concerned with controlling what's next.

And we feel like if we're afraid of it,

then we're somehow going to make it easier for when it happens as opposed to just being like, well, what if it happens in our favor?

What if something good is happening?

What if this is exactly what needs to happen?

Because what Joe has explained to me before too, is that it's all because of contrast.

And if you look at, think of a trampoline and you, you,

You take like little teeny bumps on that trampoline.

You don't do much.

I went really far down.

I was so far down on that trampoline.

My husband died.

I went through bankruptcy.

I had a son who didn't speak and hit his head all the time.

I went through the lowest of that trampoline sinking as far as those springs would take it.

And it catapulted me up so freaking high that now...