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Betsy Shepard

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Plain and simple.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

I think he killed himself.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

That's the only way I can explain it.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Because, he says, Ajay was acting strangely, even more strangely than usual, in the weeks before his disappearance.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

He says, you know, there's a bunch of caves and stuff out here.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

You can pretty much disappear, I think was the word that he used, and nobody would ever find you.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Ajay said similar things to Dave Rathbun, but he didn't put a lot of stock into any of the statements because he says Ajay is just a weird guy.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Our unit was next to a big giant duck pond.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

And one of the ways we used to make jokes about each other is we kind of like, where do you fit in the duck pond?

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

John was, and I don't want to malign him, but he was one of the oddest ducks in the pond, which is good, right?

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

You need them.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

You don't want everybody swimming the same.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Initially, Rathbun was open to the possibility of suicide, but he's become increasingly skeptical over time.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Because if Ajay had killed himself, he thinks his body or some trace of him would have turned up by now.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

So Ajay's colleagues are divided on what happened to him.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

It's kind of like those faces seen in the rocks at the Devil's Punchbowl.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Same details, but interpreted in different ways.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

And that makes sense, because we feel conflicted about it too.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

Ajay did say some eerie things about disappearing, but this disappearing act would be pretty hard to pull off.

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Introducing Valley of Shadows: Corruption in California’s Mojave Desert

I mean, how could he have buried himself and stay buried for almost three decades?