Betsy Stevenson

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This is really about, are we giving you the inputs you need to be as productive as possible?

This is really about, are we giving you the inputs you need to be as productive as possible?

This is really about, are we giving you the inputs you need to be as productive as possible?

One problem for family-run firms is it can be hard to innovate. How do you think outside the box when you've never left the box?

One problem for family-run firms is it can be hard to innovate. How do you think outside the box when you've never left the box?

One problem for family-run firms is it can be hard to innovate. How do you think outside the box when you've never left the box?

I am an economist and professor at the University of Michigan, and I study labor markets. Are you a football fan, Betsy? I teach at the University of Michigan, so I have to just plead the fifth and refuse to answer this question.

I am an economist and professor at the University of Michigan, and I study labor markets. Are you a football fan, Betsy? I teach at the University of Michigan, so I have to just plead the fifth and refuse to answer this question.

I am an economist and professor at the University of Michigan, and I study labor markets. Are you a football fan, Betsy? I teach at the University of Michigan, so I have to just plead the fifth and refuse to answer this question.

Yeah, it's really awkward.

Yeah, it's really awkward.

Yeah, it's really awkward.

I served as the chief economist at the Department of Labor, and I served as a member of the Council of Economic Advisors, giving advice to President Obama.

I served as the chief economist at the Department of Labor, and I served as a member of the Council of Economic Advisors, giving advice to President Obama.

I served as the chief economist at the Department of Labor, and I served as a member of the Council of Economic Advisors, giving advice to President Obama.

One big thing we talked a lot about was whether we should require forms of compensation outside of wages. Like, should people be required to get paid sick days? Should we require that people get paid maternity or paternity leave? What makes a good job and what's the role of government in shaping the conditions?