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Tariffs Are Paused. Uncertainty Isn't.

Thu, 10 Apr 2025

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The stock market has been tanking since President Donald Trump announced sweeping tariffs a week ago. Then Wednesday mid-afternoon—after Trump reversed course on global tariffs—the market experienced one of its biggest single-day jumps ever. So … what exactly happened? And if the U.S. economy continues to be this unpredictable, what does that mean for the future? Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What led to the stock market surge this week?

718.586 - 719.286 Justin Wolford

Mm-hmm.

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720.006 - 741.513 John Smith

It's awful that three quarters of the tariffs are still in place and the stock market is still well below where it was when he was elected. And it's not just that I care about your 401k, but that stock market is essentially a bet on the future of the American economy. And people are betting we're less healthy than we were a week ago and certainly less healthy than we were on election day.

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743.273 - 745.274 John Smith

And there's one more thing I want to scare you about.

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745.354 - 746.054 Betsy Stevenson

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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747.361 - 771.7 John Smith

So here's the cycle from the first term. Trump does something dumb. Markets react. Trump listens. Markets go back to normal. We just saw that play out again this week. But if what happens next time is Trump does something dumb, markets think he's going to react and undo it so they don't bother freaking out. If they don't bother freaking out, he's not going to undo it.

772.657 - 789.463 Betsy Stevenson

Does anyone stand to gain from this kind of volatility? Like, you know, he did tweet, this is a great time to buy. And some people speculated he was setting a sign to followers before juicing the market again. That's maybe paranoid. I don't know.

789.723 - 791.304 John Smith

No, it's not. It's before the announcement.

791.664 - 793.225 Betsy Stevenson

Okay. So you don't think it's paranoid.

793.245 - 803.919 John Smith

This is corrupt on its face. This is saying, you want to time the market, you watch me, you look at me, you listen to me. it would land anyone else in jail.

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