Betül Kaçar

It's going to Greece and, you know, not reading about the Greek history, but just, you know, like skipping the museum and hitting the beach right away and not being curious about anything that made that culture possible.

That's always a possible, there's always worse, there's always better, right?

Like, so we don't know.

I think, so you need to clarify this for me because I don't know what you mean by, I guess what bothers me is this understanding that life finds a way, can be dangerous a little bit because we assume that everything's going to be fine because evolution has been doing its thing for billions of years.

And even if we mess up,

That's very true.

And I think this whole earlier depiction of evolution, like from monkeys to humans, like maybe draw that picture in our minds that we think there's some direction to evolution.

So we think A became B, B became C, C became D, and now B appeared.

I mean, sure.

I think I was referring to what we can track in the rock record, right?

Using the isotopes.

So we're really referring to some cell that already was doing its thing.

I am not sure to what degree, based on our understanding of chemistry, yes, we do need some optimum temperature for certain complexity to emerge.

But there's no reason for, again, early chemistry to also evolve from simplicity to chemistry.

Chemistry can give rise to more, complexity gives rise to more complexity.

Mahina ex-mahina, right?

Like you can have that original messiness and out of that messy chemistry, there's more messy things that came out.

I think so, but I think what Neil's pointing out is that what we think is life is different than life circa 100 million years past Earth's formation, right?

But we think in biology, at least, or at least when we think about the last universal common ancestor, that's already a fully fledged, can eat, can poop, has all the genetics and doing its thing organism.

But origin of life is different than that, right?