Bhaskar Sunkara
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first heard Dec 2022
last heard Dec 2022
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But I try to avoid crude or causal connections, even though there are relationships like it's kind of like the old slogan, which was quite an effective slogan in the early 2000s.
And my my first anti-war marches when I was a teenager, I definitely have shouted it, but kind of no war for oil.
like both is like correct in that it gets to what people's senses of like what's going on, how it's bad, but also like analytically, it's kind of wanting to explain what really happened or why we ended up in the, you know, in the middle East, which is like a much more complex geopolitical story.
Yeah, definitely.
And I think that part of what being a socialist is, is about dreaming in the long term about a different sort of world without, in my mind, needless divisions of people into nations with standing armies.
You know, I'm sure we'll still have pride about where we're from, and there'll still be distinctive cultural features and so on about where we're from.
we definitely would, at least for the foreseeable future, be divided into places as like administrative units.
But the idea that there should be a Mexican army and an American army and a Russian army and a Ukrainian army is just on the face of it, I think in the long run will be seen as ridiculous.
Just like we see it as ridiculous today, looking back at the idea that, you know...
a lord from London would, you know, be engaged in civil strife with a lord from, like, Liverpool and a bunch of peasants would die.
You know, just kind of on the face of it just seems kind of ridiculous that these different places would have their own banners and lords and armies.
I think in the long run, you might have to zoom out a thousand years, but in the long run,
People will say the same about nation states and standing armies and battles over, you know, specks of dirt that mean nothing in a cosmic sense.
There's a very Marxist idea that I both appreciate in one way, but on the other hand, it's kind of scary, which is that human history is only now beginning before we're in prehistory.
But in the future, we'll be in kind of real history.
You know, I think that a lot of really important history has already happened.
And I think posterity will remember it.
And I think that it will be easier to sign...
you know, certain people, the role of like villains, the people, you know, not to engage in the contentious topic off topic of Ukraine or whatever else, but the idea that, you know, one government or bad would launch a, you know, more to recover, you know, or to take, you know, several hundred square miles of territory, and 10s of 1000s of people die, I think seems absurd to us many people today, luckily, but it would not have seemed absurd
50, 60 years ago, it would have just been a normal thing, right?
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