Bhaskar Sunkara
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first heard Dec 2022
last heard Dec 2022
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it's almost like if you're trying to build support for something like socialism, we were talking this lofty vision of socialism after capitalism or what worker ownership, the means of production would look like in practice and, and so on.
And by the way, you're one of the few interviewers who ever asked me any of the details.
So it's, it's good that I had a, I've been thinking of a rough sketch in my head for the last, you know, whatever, 16 years I've been a socialist, but yeah,
Yeah.
Yeah.
how are you going to convince those people that there should be worker ownership of the means of production?
It's kind of a ridiculous leap if you don't have the credibility as the group of people organizing for universal healthcare, organizing for a $15 bit of wage and able to get the goods.
And also in practice, as we fight for these reforms,
Ordinary people will have a better sense, at least my hope is, of what it means to be involved with politics and what politics can do for their lives that's positive.
Because right now, when we talk about politics, it often just seems that we're talking about a very glib cultural conflict removed from the things that are important in our lives.
Whereas in truth, I think politics can be a tool for us to make our lives better.
Well, democracy is a great thing.
Political democracy is wonderful.
It came from the struggles of ordinary people to expand suffrage and so on.
But the economic sphere, entrenched power in the economic sphere bleeds into our political democracy.
So I think there's a lot of people with a vested interest in not having universal health care.
Um, there's a large industries with the best interest in not having universal healthcare.
Uh, they, uh, pay for ads, pay lobbyists, they influence government and they have made it very difficult.
So you can't get universal healthcare.
Um,
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