Bill Kristol

He has a call with Putin and I'll take some more troops out.

And of course, with all of his other assaults on NATO, it just brings home the fact that we are not a reliable custodian of NATO or of the free world.

Yeah, and Ignatius does have actually good sources over the years, especially in the intelligence community.

So I wonder if they're seeing something that makes them a little worried.

I mean, Putin, why has he attacked Ukraine?

I mean, repeatedly, because it's not in NATO, right?

I mean, one of the things we learned from the last 10 years is NATO is a deterrent.

Putin does not want a war with NATO.

But he does think, oh, you know, that could trigger the U.S., and then we're in a whole different military situation, and also the European nations, the big European nations.

Right.

So I think he wants to destroy NATO, and he's probably thinking, well, is there some way to kind of confirm that the U.S.

guarantee isn't real?

And they can always manufacture excuses, especially in some of those – in the Baltic nations.

So I don't know.

I don't know that he's going to do it.

He's been somewhat cautious.

He's very cautious in taking on NATO, on the other hand.

You know, that's his alleged grievance that NATO expanded, right?

So it would make a certain amount of sense from his point of view.

If we then didn't do anything, it would be the end of NATO.