Bill Kristol

I very much agree with you on let's call it the sociological, cultural side of things.

And I do think, look, all elites have corruptions and problems.

And if you pick up the rock, it's not quite what it looks like on the outside.

And I'm sure it was true at first sight.

It was true, God knows, true of the Gilded Age.

But it's bad.

And I do think, yes, I think it tells us something about our country and our society that's not good.

It didn't have to be this bad, right?

And this permeating everything.

And after he's convicted, I mean, this isn't one thing where people kind of knew in 2002.

We're talking 2017 and people are hanging out with him cheerfully and stuff.

So that part's creepy.

And I do think it'll politically have some effect of pushing people at a...

I don't know, left wing or social democratic or anti-rich elite, not just living in bubbles, but being protected from the law.

I mean, which gets to the second point.

I mean, the second point is the administration's behavior.

I do think some of the critics are missing the point $6 million.

pages, 3 million pages.

Look, they have done nothing to clarify what actually happened.

They have not released the documents that everyone agreed would be the most helpful ones, the 2007, 2008 draft indictments, the charging documents from 2019, the 302s, the FBI