Bill Kristol: The MAGA Elites Are Such Frauds
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What are the implications of the Trump administration's response to working-class issues?
Hello, welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. It is Monday. It is Groundhog Day. It doesn't feel like Groundhog Day with Bill Kristol. You know, Bill Kristol's always keeping me fresh. I'm sad to report that Punxsutawney Phil has seen his shadow, so we will have six more weeks of winter, which the people of the South, we know that already. And I think it's an underappreciated abdication of this administration right now that, like, red state republicans don't have heat and electricity and their schools aren't open for weeks and like mississippi and tennessee and texas and the administration and dhs is you know they're focused on other matters i don't know not really constituent service oriented we blue state virginians don't have our fairfax county schools are staying closed again today but i don't blame them i mean honestly it's not safe i mean the kids have no place to wait on the sidewalk for the buses and stuff because it's like piles of ice everywhere
But somehow Fairfax County should have – is it impossible for them to have icebreakers as well as normal snowplows? I don't know. I guess it's very unusual, though, to get, honestly, a week of freezing temperature and stuff. Anyway, it's been cold.
Yeah, some local government failures. But I will say just in a normal administration, you would see DHS and FEMA – and the president and vice president even, and the National Guard troops surging towards the places where there have been weather-related deaths and people are out of their home. They don't even talk about it. It's not even a thought, right?
In the old days, it would be like, well, maybe they could deploy some National Guard to help out with some of the tasks to free up more of the SOPA operators. Zero, no. They're busy. They're arresting the worst of the worst, Tim, and deporting them to El Salvador and stuff. It's really making us safer as a country and better off, I think, you know?
And Christy had another nip-tuck appointment last week, so she couldn't be focused on this. All right. Well, we have much bad news to discuss and a little bit of good news, too. We have a little bit of some political good news, which we'll get to. But I want to start with Minnesota. ProPublica got the names of the agents who shot Alex Preddy. It should be worth saying that the government still has not confirmed this at the time of this taping. You know, the Minnesota Governor Walz's office, the mayor's office can't confirm this. This is, I guess, from a leak to ProPublica. But the agents in question are Border Patrol agents Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez. And both are CBP. CBP is not releasing any additional information about the deadly incident.
I think worth noting that they joined CBP respectively in 2018 and 2014. Yeah. So this is not really a training story of somebody that just joined. Any thoughts on the drip-drip of information about this killing?
I think we've all learned a little more about Border Patrol on the one hand and ICE on the other, at least I have, than I knew before. I obviously had a sense of what they were up to. Border Patrol really turns out to be a I mean, a problematic agency, maybe you have to be problematic if you're roaming the border and dealing with gangs of coyotes, as they call them, and human traffickers. I mean, it's a tough job. They were never meant to be deployed to cities. They were never meant to be dealing with peaceful demonstrators. They were never meant to be dealing with people who are harassing them a little bit in the way demonstrators do, but within their constitutional rights. They're supposed to be dealing with people or arrest them if they're breaking the law.
I mean, I would say they are not the people you want policing the streets of major cities. And we've seen that now. And I do think there, it's not a recruiting thing. It is the nature of every agency. And a little more so in the last 10, 15 years as the border stuff has heated up, obviously, than before. ICE was more of not a big, you know, contact with the people agency.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What are the implications of the Trump administration's response to working-class issues?
0:12–5:01
2
How has the deployment of CBP agents affected American cities?
5:01–10:28
3
What recent events have highlighted the issues with ICE and Border Patrol?
10:28–14:27
4
How do the recent Texas election results reflect changing political dynamics?
14:27–18:55
5
What are the potential consequences of foreign election interference?
18:55–26:01
6
How has Bad Bunny's message resonated in the current political climate?
26:01–32:01
7
What are the criticisms surrounding the Kennedy Center's future under Trump?
32:01–38:16
8
How do Trump's actions reflect on his relationship with foreign powers?
38:16–50:45
Speakers
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