Bill Kristol

You know what I mean?

He didn't let himself be mockable, if you want to think of it that way.

Ultimately, it ran out for him after 16 years, too.

But there's something about Trump's version of it is...

Let's hope it back.

Well, it is backfiring, isn't it?

I guess some of all this is he's going down to the polls.

Something's causing that, you know, let's let's turn to the polls.

Yeah, it is authoritarianism.

I mean, you know, what I think's happened is, I think students of authoritarianism and elsewhere have always said this, that, you know, if you let people's, most people's, the huge majority of people's normal lives chug ahead in a fairly rule of law context, so if

You know, you don't get a parking ticket because you're anti-Trump.

You don't get your own your own income taxes are probably treated, you know, anonymously and sort of fairly, et cetera, et cetera.

Then if Trump plays the games with Mark Zuckerberg and with big businesses and with Don Jr.

and all voters are they don't like it, maybe they think it's not fair.

really a great way to run a country, but it doesn't, their own lives do not feel lawless and unmoored and subject to the whims of every, of the state.

Now, that is obviously, that's what kind of local corruption often is like, and that's what the South was like for Blacks, obviously, for

for a heck of a long forever, really, until pretty recently.

And that's what really causes people to say, this is bad.

This is really terrible, right?

And that was, if you think of East Europe as, you know, the stuff that one read about there, it was that everyone had to be paid off, that you couldn't get anything without a deal with some local petty bureaucrat.