Bill Landis

And I didn't know, cause Jim Knowles had whatever, it had bandit adjuster, adjudicator, adjudicator, a litigator, master of ceremonies.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know.

Like it was, there was, there was a lot going on there.

So I didn't know if, you know what, what this staff chooses to call them.

So it's free safety and strong safety, not rewriting the book there.

And the, the nickel position they call the star is,

And I think they call it the star because the star is or really why they don't just call it the nickel, because I do think, as we discussed before, like nickel sort of conjures a very specific type of player and job description, which is like a kind of a third corner that's out there to cover a speedy slot guy.

But that's clearly not how Ohio State has utilized that role that Lorenzo style played last year and that Jordan Hancock played.

played before him so those are the three spots free strong star and then i followed up with like the four main guys i think before everyone would consider the four main guys in the room jalen mclean back as a starter from last year our little junior in as a transfer terry moran is a transfer and leroy roker is a third year guy stepping up top four guys at the position can all four of those guys play any three of those positions and the answer was yes

I would assume so, yeah.

That's what the safeties coach said.

So, yeah, I think so.

There's also been an evolution with this, I think.

And I actually... We've already spoken with Matt Patricia.

I feel like if you ask Matt Patricia this question, you'd get a six-minute answer on the evolution of the star position.

Because the star...

was like Saban's like fifth backend defender when he and Belichick were together in Cleveland.

And I think at that time it was more of like, it's a Sam linebacker.

And then over time that kind of evolved more into instead of a safety linebacker hybrid, more of what you're saying, like a corner safety hybrid.