Bill Maher

So at the same time, we're not macaque monkeys.

They're not identical to us, obviously.

So it's...

It's the way the fields have progressed.

And in terms of cognition and things like that.

But again, I don't want to be... I'm not arguing that more work should be done in non-human primates.

I'm not making that argument.

I think whenever possible, we should avoid the use of animal models.

Always, right?

Why injure or take a life when you potentially don't have to?

Yeah, I mean, there are cancer treatments that...

I doubt humans, unless they're dying and they're really at the end of life.

And in this country, we don't tend to have cat and dog research anymore, largely because of the advocacy groups.

And at the same time, the pig people tell me pigs are very sweet.

And China's different.

China treats, you know, I think they treat this whole landscape of animal research very differently.

They have a lot of researchers in Europe keep their primates in China because of the lower costs and do the work there.

I couldn't help but go into those files, and I was able to find examples of people saying, you can find this there, saying, too bad we can't experiment on kids, or we should experiment on kids.

It's in those files.

They just are talking about wanting to do experiments on children.