Bill Roggio
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Yeah. Like before I address that, I wanted to address what you had mentioned, not understanding Putin. This is a problem we've witnessed in the entire war on terror. We didn't understand the Taliban. We didn't understand al Qaeda. We don't didn't and don't understand Iran and its motivations.
And I also think we don't understand Zelensky and what his motivations are when he says, and I believe it because he's under political pressure domestically from right-wing groups, from the, you know, let's face it, some of these are neo-Nazi organizations that have military formations, formations like Azov. I mean, you know,
Look, you read the New York Times about this from up to up until the Russian invasion reporting about these right wing extremist groups, you know, how their their power within Ukraine, the best. You know, I don't think he's in a position to yield any land to the Russians. And yet the reality is from the Russian side, keep in mind, they have next four oblasts or provinces in Russia.
And some of most of them are. occupied by Russia, but not all of the territory by Russian law. Those are that is now Russian territory to the Russians. Again, morally and legally, I don't think the Russians have a leg to stand on. But internally, this is how Putin and his followers remember he has pressure that comes from his right as well.
And that's why I think you have this intractable situation where even if you could get Putin and Zelensky or their people into a room, I think their goals, their outcomes for this are so wildly differing that I don't think you really can come to a solution. Zelensky can't afford to cede even just Crimea to the Russians.
Because the the right wing groups that have military power, there's actual military brigades. I see it all the time, you know, showing their Nazi symbolisms while training in France. Even these groups have said that they would not accept this outcome and have said that even some of them said they would kill Zelensky. if that outcome came along. So he's handcuffed.
You know, the best that he could hope for is to get all of the territory back. And then maybe the thing that he could see would be Ukraine not agreeing to join NATO to be a neutral country.
The Russians, given the cost that they've incurred, Mike, in the number of soldiers, and there's wildly differing estimates on that, the military hardware, international pressure, they're going to want something out of this. And I think they're serious about annexing those four provinces and keeping them. And yeah, I just don't see a political outcome.
The best outcome to me that's realistic that Zelensky can hope for is some type of ceasefire, a cessation of fighting, of freezing the line of contact as it is today. That's the best they can hope for. If they wait till tomorrow, they're going to lose more ground. If they wait till next week, they're going to lose a little bit more ground.
And if they wait till next month, they're going to lose a lot more ground.
Yeah, I agree. And, you know, part of the problem with all of this, you know, how did this, the rhetoric start out from the EU countries and from the US? We have to overthrow Putin. We need, Russian needs to be handed a military defeat. You know, again, I think that's harder to the Russians in some cases.
But, you know, the irony is if all of those things were true, if Putin had to go, if, you know, the Russians needed to be dealt with defeat, if the Russians are a direct threat to Europe, then why are the European countries and the United States acting like it?
instead of sending, you know, warehoused weapons and limited number of weapons systems, as you mentioned, just enough for Ukraine to not lose. Although I'd argue it's just enough for them to not lose quickly. They're losing slowly. Right. You know, where is the uptick in defense spending in manufacturing?
We still can't manufacture, I would argue, probably somewhere around a tenth of the artillery shells of what Russia is manufacturing. And this is a war where artillery is the king of battle. It always has been. And it especially has been in this war where we act one way, but. You know, we say one thing, but we act another. And then, you know, the Russians see this and they don't take us seriously.
So we have to become realists about how this war is going to end. You know, hopefully the Trump administration is able to do this. I mean, we certainly will see. He said that he'll cut a deal in a day. I think that's Trump hyperbole. It means we'll cut a deal quickly.
And, you know, his statements were taken in my estimation. Look, is it wise to prefer a president to say it that way? Sure, we could have that debate. I don't particularly like his style, but I understood where he was coming from. He was arguing for NATO to pick up its share of the load.
And he and I'm certain he's watching this Ukraine conflict and sitting there going, I was right and he was right. Again, if this is an existential war, particularly for Europe, Western and Eastern Europe, why aren't they treating it as such? Yeah.
I think there might be some type of ceasefire. And I think we might be able to see it by within the first half of the year, the half a year of this term. I think it's just... he's he's you know a incoming president has a lot to do um and the war in ukraine is just going to be one of a multitude of things that are priority for him so there's a lot of legwork to be done to get the staff in place
I don't think it's going to be something that the Ukrainians or those with the Ukraine flags in their Twitter handles are going to like. But I do think he may be able to achieve some type of ceasefire of freezing the lines. I think the Russians may accept that.
But if that's the case and if that's what the Russians are perceiving, they may accelerate their military operations to gobble up more ground, as much ground as they can in expectation of that ceasefire.
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