Bill Thompson

And just by virtue of it being built on the Android open source project, that's a great thing.

It's a good thing.

Just don't call it totally unhackable.

Because a guy like me, I don't need but a week or two to tell you on this current build, like, here's the hole in this Swiss cheese.

Now, is it far better than having a Google phone?

with standard firmware and standard OS or an Apple phone.

I don't know about Apple because again, you asked me about Apple and I said, I don't know Apple.

I don't know what's happening at the top of that company, but I know that they like to monetize people and that's pervasive in my mind.

And using data that people don't know is getting used, even though it's in a 40 page terms of services document is pervasive.

So I just don't know what that highest level of analysis is.

And that's why I said to answer your question about the safest phone, I would ask you what you're using it for, who you are and what are you doing in the world is the best way to answer that question.

I mean, I wouldn't want to.

I mean, OK, I'll tell you generally what I would say, because you might ask me that question one day because we go back and forth about a lot of tech.

I know specifically what I would recommend for you to do.

And I'd even tell you to hire someone else to do it, not me.

Um, because that just, that checks and balances is what I would want.

But, um, for you, I would say you should take something like a, um, a raspberry pie and you should run wire guard on your phone and you should route all of your internet traffic through something like a home terminal at your house through a raspberry pie using something like wire guard, um, which is a VPN that I use.

That's very good.

Um, and, uh,

You know, everything should be routed through that.