Bill Wyman

And part of the reason is that anytime it comes up,

All of those people get motivated by what used to be the National Rifle Association and right wing, and they go out and buy more guns.

And so one of the reasons the left doesn't even bring it up anymore is that the sort of gun lobby and the right wing likes it because all it does is spur more gun sales and scare tactics about Americans are going to take your guns away.

So it's a huge problem in America.

I think it's fair to say the one-two punch is the incredibly violent rhetoric that comes from the right wing.

And there's just a lot of it.

Now, there's a thing in America, as in Australia, there's what they call whataboutism.

And people say, well, what about when someone said this on MSNBC?

Or what about when someone said that?

And it's like, yes, whataboutism.

On the left as well, you have some people saying intemperate things.

But the prevalence of it on the right, the tolerance of it, the way that it's not apologized for and that it's amplified by what we call the right wing media sphere in America.

And that starts, of course, with Fox News.

But now all the other sort of online networks, and, of course, we still have that, what we call in America the talk radio, right-wing talk radio, which spreads it to truckers and people just driving around.

And it normalizes it.

You know, they're joking about it.

And if I can just give people one example that I think just stays with me, one of the most notorious ones was the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

brutal, brutal physical attack on him.

Nancy Pelosi is an elderly woman, okay?

Her husband is a very elderly person.