Billy Corben

You had hijackings of airplanes.

You had

Most of this, of course, being what we I guess we call right wing violence and terrorism.

Before we go, John Lee, I wanted to share this with you.

I was making a documentary many years ago that never got released called American Spies.

We interviewed Felix Rodriguez.

We interviewed Eugenio Rolando.

Martinez.

And you're always looking for, as you know, as a writer for the last line, right?

Who gets the last word, the last soundbite or the last like what kind of perfectly encapsulates what it is that we're what this whole enterprise is about.

In our case, it would have been a feature documentary.

So how do you condense two hours into one bite and from whom?

And so I was sitting interviewing Eugenio Orlando Martinez at the

Brigade 2506 Museum in Little Havana.

And we were in this room and he's surrounded by these black and white portraits, these eight by tens of these young men, his brothers in arms who perished or were captured during the Bay of Pigs invasion.

And he said something and I'm like, oh shit, this is going to be the last line.

I never got to make it, but I shared it when he died in February of 2021.

And unbelievably, my grandmother, may she rest in peace, called me and said, Billy, you're in The New York Times.

And I said, oh, no, what did I do?

And she said, no, it's the obits.