Blayne Alexander

So he has a house party, but his parents really just don't know what to do. And they said, this is almost kind of like a parental scared straight. We're going to put some handcuffs on him. Some could say, hey, is this extreme? Or other people saying, hey, we just, parents need to do something to get their son under control.

So he has a house party, but his parents really just don't know what to do. And they said, this is almost kind of like a parental scared straight. We're going to put some handcuffs on him. Some could say, hey, is this extreme? Or other people saying, hey, we just, parents need to do something to get their son under control.

I thought it was notable that the dad just apparently had handcuffs there ready to be put on. Right. He was a former fire chief, former mayor. There's some embarrassment issues that you kind of pointed to.

I thought it was notable that the dad just apparently had handcuffs there ready to be put on. Right. He was a former fire chief, former mayor. There's some embarrassment issues that you kind of pointed to.

I was struck by the fact that, you know, Madison's dad got a call from somebody, from a friend, somebody who knew and said, hey, my kid came home from your house under the influence of something. You need to figure out what's going on, basically. Right. I had that happened in Atlanta or in L.A. It may not have been like I know exactly the kid and the parent and who to call.

I was struck by the fact that, you know, Madison's dad got a call from somebody, from a friend, somebody who knew and said, hey, my kid came home from your house under the influence of something. You need to figure out what's going on, basically. Right. I had that happened in Atlanta or in L.A. It may not have been like I know exactly the kid and the parent and who to call.

I would think that that's a nod to just how difficult this story was, that they don't want to talk about it. They don't want it to be put on a national platform, I assume.

I would think that that's a nod to just how difficult this story was, that they don't want to talk about it. They don't want it to be put on a national platform, I assume.

Yeah, interesting. I thought the interviews that you did do were very compelling. I mean, obviously you sat down with Madison himself. I'm curious, what was your impression of him?

Yeah, interesting. I thought the interviews that you did do were very compelling. I mean, obviously you sat down with Madison himself. I'm curious, what was your impression of him?

When we come back, we will hear an extra clip from Josh's interview with one of the men who set out to free Madison, his uncle, Chris Owenby. Madison's uncles, Chris and Mike, absolutely believed him, and they stepped up immediately to help him. The family rallied behind him. I'm curious what stood out to you in your conversations with them.

When we come back, we will hear an extra clip from Josh's interview with one of the men who set out to free Madison, his uncle, Chris Owenby. Madison's uncles, Chris and Mike, absolutely believed him, and they stepped up immediately to help him. The family rallied behind him. I'm curious what stood out to you in your conversations with them.

When you were talking to Madison, he said at one point, I don't remember which uncle, Chris or Mike, but he said he'd only had maybe a five-minute conversation with him ever before in life.

When you were talking to Madison, he said at one point, I don't remember which uncle, Chris or Mike, but he said he'd only had maybe a five-minute conversation with him ever before in life.

We actually have an extra clip from your interview with Chris Owenby that didn't make it into the show. Here in this clip, he's describing what it was like to tell the kids that their father had been killed and their mother was fighting for her life.

We actually have an extra clip from your interview with Chris Owenby that didn't make it into the show. Here in this clip, he's describing what it was like to tell the kids that their father had been killed and their mother was fighting for her life.

She was gone. Wow. To hear him describe having to tell the children that, no matter how you say it, it's not going to soften the blow at all.

She was gone. Wow. To hear him describe having to tell the children that, no matter how you say it, it's not going to soften the blow at all.

Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Greg Biggs. He's a former FBI agent.

Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about Greg Biggs. He's a former FBI agent.