Bob Amsterdam

And I don't fault them.

Wait, it's supported by American pastors?

Yes.

How?

They don't know.

I mean, essentially, the Ukrainians are masters of disinformation, absolute masters.

They have their own sort of captive cells of religious leaders who are told essentially, look, we have black PR against you if you don't follow what's going on and you don't support us.

We'll take you down.

I mean, the former president of Ukraine is under indictment for treason.

Novinsky, who you've interviewed, under indictment for treason.

They've done nothing treasonous.

They just represent alternative areas of independent thinking.

In Novinsky's case, a religious man who supported the church.

But they have sanctioned him.

They have tried to destroy him.

And of course, they are within a hair's breadth of taking down the church, a thousand-year-old church, destroying it, taking the priests out of it, removing all the churches, transferring it to the state church of the OCU, which essentially is a cutout of the presidential administration.

Look.

I will tell you that J.D.

Vance, when he was a senator, and no one, frankly, knew him from Oshkosh, gave a statement

in the senate for which i thank him every day in my prayers um that has kept i think it's one of the key things i think you jd vance and there are two young members of the young republicans uh catherine um whitford uh who is a a co-chair of the national young republicans and is