Bob Kagan

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The Bulwark Daily · Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World · 3 Apr 2026 podcast

if they attack Estonia.

So that is the scenario that does lead to where you're going.

Whether it happens on Donald Trump's watch or somebody else's watch, I don't know.

But we are teeing ourselves up for a much bigger crisis down the road.

What it says is I'm a bad Jew.

That's what.

The Bulwark Daily · Robert Kagan and Marianne Williamson: Slipping Into Dictatorship · 4 Feb 2026 podcast

Yeah, that's about right.

I mean, they are reflecting, I think, a broader American sort of ignorance about how unusual the role the United States has played in the world since the end of World War II, how unusual the way other powers have responded to the United States.

in the sense that they've been willing to let the United States be the strongest power in the world to place their security in American hands.

That's just unprecedented in history.

And it made for a very special kind of international environment and one very beneficial to the United States.

And where Trump is now taking us is back to a world that looks a lot more like the world that existed before World War II or leading into World War II, you know, a multipolar world where everybody's fending for himself.

And that's a much more dangerous world for the United States.

Yeah, you can read a lot of articles by sort of Trump sympathetic writers in foreign affairs these days about, hey, we can go back to a nice, you know, the concert of Europe and the multipolar world and the great powers all work it out.

And and the problem with that analogy is that if you actually look at the 19th century, yes, it was a as these things go is a better managed multipolar world than, say, the beginning of the 20th century.

But it was still the case that practically in every single decade of this long peace, there was a major conflict involving two or more great powers, you know, conflicts that cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people and disrupted economies.

There was the Crimean War.

There was the Franco-Prussian War, etc.,

And if we were actually to replicate that kind of world today, we would be having major wars involving Russia, China, maybe Japan, Germany, the United States, pretty much once every decade.

And I just think, again, people are so used to the broad peace among great powers that we've enjoyed since the end of World War II that they just don't realize that a normal world is one where great powers are frequently in conflict.

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