Bob Kagan

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The Bulwark Daily · Robert Kagan and Marianne Williamson: Slipping Into Dictatorship · 4 Feb 2026 podcast

Back in the day, decades ago, tariffs were regarded as an act of war.

And so we have basically committed, at the very least, exacting tribute for our great leader with these countries.

And that's going to create all kinds of bitterness.

In the past, when there was anti-Americanism in Europe, for instance, which there was, the governments were like, we are not severing our relationship with the United States because they are providing protection for us.

So what did the leaders do when we have made it clear we are no longer providing protection for them, and in fact,

We are generally hostile to them, which after all, the Trump administration from Trump all the way down throughout the State Department is making clear how hostile they are to Europe.

So what do we expect them to do?

They're not going to be our buddies.

No, it's really, it's extraordinary.

In the article, I mentioned this very, I think he's a very great Chinese strategic thinker.

His name is Yan Shui Tong.

And he has written a lot about how the difference between the United States and China is not military power and economic power, because China can eventually acquire those things as it has been doing.

But the big difference, as he wrote some 10, 12 years ago, was that the United States had something like 50%

allies and strategic partners around the world, and China had essentially none.

Maybe a little Pakistan, maybe a little North Korea.

And what you've just described is the new America, where we also have no allies around the world except for El Salvador and Honduras and whoever else Trump has seen fit to help get into office around the world.

So it is very much going to be

Not only America alone, but as I try to suggest, it's kind of America against everybody.

You can't abuse everybody and expect them not to want to abuse you in return.

Well, I think it's more the latter.

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