Bob Voulgaris

Maybe it was the second year.

I forget when it was, but it was definitely after that.

Because I remember, that's the point I brought up was, hey, like,

That's kind of weird.

People watching the finals didn't even know about this.

But also, someone had access to the information.

Are you 100% sure that that never got leaked?

And so you have this... By the way, the Tim Donahue scandal

not to bring but not to interrupt you but the Tim Donaghy thing was way worse than this like in terms of what we know now I think there's probably much worse things that we don't know about and just to be transparent I reached out to I sent I sent the league an email a week ago like offering like hey like if you are interested I'd be happy to help you protect the intact like not like an official role but just like some ideas because there's lots of things they could do to improve the integrity of the game and the things that they responded with recently and

About Terry Rozier and John Tate Porter, like with all due respect to their partners in gambling and their people at Sport Radar, whoever's doing their integrity, that's like the easiest thing in the world to catch.

Not even obscure, just on player props.

Like if you think, like I had the best beard network in the world probably for basketball.

And if you think I was getting down money on player props...

Like, no.

Because I knew there's no point in trying to like, yeah, could we beat player props?

Probably.

Our model was predicting lots of things.

We could certainly beat player props.

But what's the point?

You're never, that's like the dumbest thing because first of all, the books, there are people who beat props for a living and they're good at it.