Bob Voulgaris

Average was like about 8 to 10, I would say.

17 years.

Yeah, 17 years, 15, 17 years, something like that.

Too long.

How about that?

Yeah, I made a lot of money, for sure.

This isn't what I inspired, though.

This is so far removed.

I mean, I'm not to interrupt you, but this world right now is so far removed.

The levels I had to go to bet on sports to get accounts, to find people, cash in duffel bags in Canada, dealing with shady individuals, and then later on in life dealing with VIPs who had access to large casino accounts is so different than people who are downloading an app.

and clicking buttons and using their credit card.

So when I first started betting, to be clear, it was through offshore sportsbooks.

So it was through internet sportsbooks or telephone, like 1-800 numbers.

But there would be like ads in Pro Football Weekly, some 1-800 number, you'd go get a money order through Western Union and send it to some jabroni in the Caribbean named like Victor Sanchez or something.

And then I graduated from that, and I would say that continued for a very, very long period of time.

Online casinos, online sports books that were not legal in America, but they called them gray area until the World Sports Exchange guys got indicted.

That was a big thing that happened.

And then in addition to that, when I was in Canada, I was dealing with local bookmakers,

Yeah, I mean, my competitive advantage is that I just have like a real, real good attention to detail when I'm doing something.

And I probably am decent at pattern recognition.