Bobby

And you can put that on a chart and you can extrapolate it and say, look, if we don't pay this debt down now, maybe not if you're the United States government, but if you're like an actual business, you can say, if we don't pay this debt down, we're going to go bankrupt in 90 days. And that convinces leadership to be like, okay, it's worth it.

And you can put that on a chart and you can extrapolate it and say, look, if we don't pay this debt down now, maybe not if you're the United States government, but if you're like an actual business, you can say, if we don't pay this debt down, we're going to go bankrupt in 90 days. And that convinces leadership to be like, okay, it's worth it.

But when it comes to technical debt, we lack that quantitative ability to extrapolate forward and say, we're going this slow right now. If we don't dramatically change things, start paying this down. we're going to grind to a halt in 90 days.

But when it comes to technical debt, we lack that quantitative ability to extrapolate forward and say, we're going this slow right now. If we don't dramatically change things, start paying this down. we're going to grind to a halt in 90 days.

I mean, it's one place. Like greed also drives innovation, right? Like I want to make money. Of course. I need to invent something to make more money.

I mean, it's one place. Like greed also drives innovation, right? Like I want to make money. Of course. I need to invent something to make more money.

Well, I like that because you have experience that we don't have in trying to like craft those so that they are optimal because you only have so much time and opportunities to like pull somebody for their thoughts. And if you pull them out incorrectly on accident, then you're kind of wasting everybody's time. Let me rant for a split second here about Stack Overflow and URLs, okay?

Well, I like that because you have experience that we don't have in trying to like craft those so that they are optimal because you only have so much time and opportunities to like pull somebody for their thoughts. And if you pull them out incorrectly on accident, then you're kind of wasting everybody's time. Let me rant for a split second here about Stack Overflow and URLs, okay?

So first of all, I appreciate you all doing the survey. No real hate here, but... I was trying to answer Adam's question, which was, do we have past year's results? So I went to this year's results, survey.stackoverflow.co slash 2024 slash professional developers, found the link to that survey question. And then I went to the URL bar and I changed the year from 2024 to 2023. 404, page not found.

So first of all, I appreciate you all doing the survey. No real hate here, but... I was trying to answer Adam's question, which was, do we have past year's results? So I went to this year's results, survey.stackoverflow.co slash 2024 slash professional developers, found the link to that survey question. And then I went to the URL bar and I changed the year from 2024 to 2023. 404, page not found.

I mean, come on, people. Respect the URL structure. This is like what address bar hacking is all about. Come on. Help us get to things in a way that makes sense. I just appreciate good URLs, and that's not a good one. Anyways, that was my mini rant because I was going to have answers for you, Adam. I was going to have last year's answer to this question.

I mean, come on, people. Respect the URL structure. This is like what address bar hacking is all about. Come on. Help us get to things in a way that makes sense. I just appreciate good URLs, and that's not a good one. Anyways, that was my mini rant because I was going to have answers for you, Adam. I was going to have last year's answer to this question.

All right, real-time follow-up. I used their user interface to find last year's results. And as far as I can tell, they did not ask this question in 2023. Maybe it was just one year they didn't, but we did not have last year's answer to this particular question. That's not why it 404'd, okay?

All right, real-time follow-up. I used their user interface to find last year's results. And as far as I can tell, they did not ask this question in 2023. Maybe it was just one year they didn't, but we did not have last year's answer to this particular question. That's not why it 404'd, okay?

They still changed their URL structure, but had it stayed the same, it still would have 404'd because they didn't ask that question. So unfortunately, we can't really go back and say, You know, which way is it trending? Or is this an anomaly or anything like that?

They still changed their URL structure, but had it stayed the same, it still would have 404'd because they didn't ask that question. So unfortunately, we can't really go back and say, You know, which way is it trending? Or is this an anomaly or anything like that?

I would love to hear this, yes.

I would love to hear this, yes.

Well, I think it's a little bit better because you're directly asking the people.

Well, I think it's a little bit better because you're directly asking the people.