Bobby

I like that approach. I think that time waste is reported by the actual people wasting the time. And so it's probably relatively reliable. Of course, there's always trolls and thoughtless respondents, but you can't get around that.

I like that approach. I think that time waste is reported by the actual people wasting the time. And so it's probably relatively reliable. Of course, there's always trolls and thoughtless respondents, but you can't get around that.

Yeah, I'm totally just being inefficient because of all these other things. It's not me. It's you. There's that. I mean, you can't really maybe you just account for that in your numbers. But yeah, if you are saying technical debt, complexity, bureaucracy, whatever it is, all these factors. Ultimately, for the business, are costing money, slowing things down.

Yeah, I'm totally just being inefficient because of all these other things. It's not me. It's you. There's that. I mean, you can't really maybe you just account for that in your numbers. But yeah, if you are saying technical debt, complexity, bureaucracy, whatever it is, all these factors. Ultimately, for the business, are costing money, slowing things down.

Wasting time is really a decent measure for that, like how much time is actually being wasted. And so if you can track that against this DXIX, what's this thing called, the DX Index?

Wasting time is really a decent measure for that, like how much time is actually being wasted. And so if you can track that against this DXIX, what's this thing called, the DX Index?

At the same time, I don't know, it seems like a pretty decent approach. Is that bearing fruit?

At the same time, I don't know, it seems like a pretty decent approach. Is that bearing fruit?

Right. I think you should have a, do you do an annual or semi-annual survey for, to the public? Like Stack Overflow does?

Right. I think you should have a, do you do an annual or semi-annual survey for, to the public? Like Stack Overflow does?

The nice thing about this particular measure or this combination of measures is that if it could be somewhat generalized and made public, it's now a tool and a resource for people who don't have those quantitative metrics inside their company to say, look, this stuff really matters. Look what it did for... Walmart and you know, these, these important companies, it's moving their bottom line.

The nice thing about this particular measure or this combination of measures is that if it could be somewhat generalized and made public, it's now a tool and a resource for people who don't have those quantitative metrics inside their company to say, look, this stuff really matters. Look what it did for... Walmart and you know, these, these important companies, it's moving their bottom line.

It's making them more productive and they've, they've proved it out over N years. And so if that's public information that I can take to my leadership and use that, then convince them that, Hey, let's call a feature freeze or whatever it is that I'm trying to get done. Right.

It's making them more productive and they've, they've proved it out over N years. And so if that's public information that I can take to my leadership and use that, then convince them that, Hey, let's call a feature freeze or whatever it is that I'm trying to get done. Right.

Well, when you have the opportunity to become the index, I think, I mean, obviously, you know way more about your business than I do and how important it is internally as a proprietary thing. But I can see huge upside in the open sourcing of it.

Well, when you have the opportunity to become the index, I think, I mean, obviously, you know way more about your business than I do and how important it is internally as a proprietary thing. But I can see huge upside in the open sourcing of it.

Right. Yeah. I mean, we can get into the licensing discussions and we're happy to, we do it all the time. Yeah. And depending on what it is, open source might not even be the right thing.

Right. Yeah. I mean, we can get into the licensing discussions and we're happy to, we do it all the time. Yeah. And depending on what it is, open source might not even be the right thing.

word right like maybe it's creative commons maybe it's right but you could still hold trademark and copyright against it like dxi could be a trademarked thing but also how you go about doing it and how others can go about doing it you can just let that stuff loose you don't let go of the copyright but you just let other people use it so and you can't call it dxi it is a product right you trademark the dxi right that's what you're saying right makes sense

word right like maybe it's creative commons maybe it's right but you could still hold trademark and copyright against it like dxi could be a trademarked thing but also how you go about doing it and how others can go about doing it you can just let that stuff loose you don't let go of the copyright but you just let other people use it so and you can't call it dxi it is a product right you trademark the dxi right that's what you're saying right makes sense