Boris Cherny

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Yeah, thanks for having me.

So, OK, here's the shortest version.

So I, you know, Cloud Code came from Anthropic.

Yeah.

Anthropic is the AI lab that

was created to make AI safe.

So we've been working on AI safety for many years now, and there's a lot of hard problems.

And when we first started, we knew some of the hard problems, but we didn't know all of them.

One of the really hard problems is how do you figure out if the model is actually safe in the ways that you want?

And there's essentially a lot of ways to answer this.

You can do evals, so essentially look at the model in kind of like a petri dish in a laboratory setting.

You can peer inside the model's neurons.

So this is like mechanistic interpretability to figure out what it's actually doing at a mechanistic level.

Once you've done these things and you know it's safe on these levels, at some point you need to put it out there to see how people use it.

Because even if it appears safe in a laboratory setting, you don't know for sure if it will be safe when people use it for real work.

And so for a long time, this has kind of been our agenda.

It's we make models safe.

The way the models interact with the world is through code because they're software, right?

Like they don't have bodies like we do.

So they write code to interact with the world.

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