Bozoma Saint John
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I will. I will. And you already know, it's like, you know, the process of... writing is so, so difficult. Um, but this, this was, uh, it's been a long time coming, you know? And, um, I'm, I was ready. The moment I sat down, I was ready. I wasn't ready a moment before that. But as soon as I sat down, it was like, everything just started coming.
I will. I will. And you already know, it's like, you know, the process of... writing is so, so difficult. Um, but this, this was, uh, it's been a long time coming, you know? And, um, I'm, I was ready. The moment I sat down, I was ready. I wasn't ready a moment before that. But as soon as I sat down, it was like, everything just started coming.
And so, um, I'm telling all of it, you know, all of the pain, all of the triumph, all of, All the things.
And so, um, I'm telling all of it, you know, all of the pain, all of the triumph, all of, All the things.
And so, um, I'm telling all of it, you know, all of the pain, all of the triumph, all of, All the things.
Yeah. Well, that's what's so beautiful about this experience in life, right? Is that like, we don't have to be one dimensional, that all things can be true at the same time. You know, it's the reason why it's like, I remember once shortly after Peter had died, I was sitting with a friend and she was telling me a story and I started laughing hysterically.
Yeah. Well, that's what's so beautiful about this experience in life, right? Is that like, we don't have to be one dimensional, that all things can be true at the same time. You know, it's the reason why it's like, I remember once shortly after Peter had died, I was sitting with a friend and she was telling me a story and I started laughing hysterically.
You know, it was like, yeah, it was like from my belly, you know, the kind of laugh that makes you want to fall over and slap something, you know, that kind of laugh. And then almost stopping short because I was like, oh, I'm supposed to be sad. You know, I'm not supposed to laugh like this. The truth of the matter is that like, isn't that what life is?
You know, it was like, yeah, it was like from my belly, you know, the kind of laugh that makes you want to fall over and slap something, you know, that kind of laugh. And then almost stopping short because I was like, oh, I'm supposed to be sad. You know, I'm not supposed to laugh like this. The truth of the matter is that like, isn't that what life is?
You know, even when you're grieving, you can have belly laughs that take you out of that pain for however long that is. Maybe it's a second or maybe it's five minutes or maybe it's a few days. You know, so like if you're in a dark place, can you still be driven? Of course you can. You know, it's not a constant either, though.
You know, even when you're grieving, you can have belly laughs that take you out of that pain for however long that is. Maybe it's a second or maybe it's five minutes or maybe it's a few days. You know, so like if you're in a dark place, can you still be driven? Of course you can. You know, it's not a constant either, though.
You know, we're like being gentle with yourself and knowing that, like, even when you're in the darkness, there will be times when you don't feel like getting up. But then it's not forever. you know, or to feel badly that you're driven, even though you're going through something, you know?
You know, we're like being gentle with yourself and knowing that, like, even when you're in the darkness, there will be times when you don't feel like getting up. But then it's not forever. you know, or to feel badly that you're driven, even though you're going through something, you know?
So like, even when, yeah, it was like, when I decided to move from New York and take the next job and people were like, shouldn't you be in a cave somewhere crying your eyes out? You know, like, why are you so ambitious? Sit down. You know? And yeah, I did question myself too. Like, why am I not sitting down somewhere? Like, why am I still out here pushing?
So like, even when, yeah, it was like, when I decided to move from New York and take the next job and people were like, shouldn't you be in a cave somewhere crying your eyes out? You know, like, why are you so ambitious? Sit down. You know? And yeah, I did question myself too. Like, why am I not sitting down somewhere? Like, why am I still out here pushing?
You know, like there were, there've been many, many moments like that. And I don't think that there has to be only one definition for how we are, you know? So like, yes, if you're in a place where you feel like the textbook expectation should be that you should take one step at a time, take it one day at a time. I hate that phrase, by the way.
You know, like there were, there've been many, many moments like that. And I don't think that there has to be only one definition for how we are, you know? So like, yes, if you're in a place where you feel like the textbook expectation should be that you should take one step at a time, take it one day at a time. I hate that phrase, by the way.
Oh, we should take it all. Do everything. All at once. Make it messy. Make it unpredictable. Defy logic. Like, why does it have to be so ordered? One day at a time for what? One step at a time for what? Sometimes I'm gonna run. Sometimes I'm gonna skip. Sometimes I'm gonna go backwards. Sometimes I'm gonna lay down. Sometimes I'm gonna sit up and look at the world.
Oh, we should take it all. Do everything. All at once. Make it messy. Make it unpredictable. Defy logic. Like, why does it have to be so ordered? One day at a time for what? One step at a time for what? Sometimes I'm gonna run. Sometimes I'm gonna skip. Sometimes I'm gonna go backwards. Sometimes I'm gonna lay down. Sometimes I'm gonna sit up and look at the world.
And sometimes, yes, I will take one step. But why does it have to be so ordered all the time? And so the freedom in that, I think allows us then to be multiple things at one time. So that yes, you can be driven and in a dark place. You can be hurting and still laugh. You can be healing and still trying to figure out how to avoid the next hurt.