Bozoma Saint John
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183 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard Jan 2025
last heard Mar 2025
Bozoma Saint John’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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But I find that white women have a hard time following black women. And so then it's like that whole affirmation, like rah, rah, rah, let's support each other, only is also One Direction. So there's the meetings before the meetings, but there are meetings after the meetings, right? The meetings after the meetings are the ones that are just like, oh, I'm so glad you said that.
And, you know, did you hear me when I supported you? And I'm like, so you kind of didn't. You kind of said my idea again, and then they heard you. That's kind of what happened. And it's like, oh, no, no, no. But we still got the point across. Like we, the women, we said the thing and we made the point. And I'm like, no, no, no. It was my thing. And then you took it. It made it yours.
And then you came back and said, oh, it's ours. Nobody remembers that I said it because you said it. But that's the thing. It's like, again, I'm just like, ah! You know, it's like sometimes you just feel so frustrated because I'm just like, where is my voice? You know, it's like, yes, we are going further because the woman's story went forward, but it was taken forward by the white woman.
And she didn't even acknowledge me. Yes. And so then it's like, okay, well, here I am again by my damn self.
Yes. And by the way, everybody thinks you're a bitch. Yeah. You know how many times I've been called arrogant, selfish, a bitch? You know how many times? All the time. And I'm like, no, I'm not selfish. I'm not a bitch. I'm just asking to be acknowledged. Yep. I'm just asking to be seen. That's it. It is the lowest of things I'm asking for. The lowest.
I didn't even ask you to call me a genius, which I fucking am.
I just asked you to see me. That's it. That's it.
You know what I mean? Because I said, oh, no, it wasn't your idea. It was my idea. Oh, this is teamwork, though. Oh, really? You seem to be the only one in the team.
Glennon, can we also pause just there for a second? Because that moment also just needs to be acknowledged because when you and I talked, you said the thing that most white women don't say. You were like, how do I help your voice? And I was just like, oh, shit. She wanted to know how to help amplify my voice. It literally knocked me off my feet.
You know, because I was just like, man, I've been in so many environments, conversations with very well-meaning people. Again, I don't think everything is black and white. Things are very great. You know, people who mean well, they want to help and all that. But they just take your voice and then they put theirs on it and it changes. Then it's out and you can't get it back.
But what you said in that moment is what then led me to say, I feel like I'm just screaming into the wind. Nobody hears me. Then it was like, it almost became an easy solution after that. Yeah, it did. It was like, of course, of course, of course. You should just be heard. How do I put you on the platform so you can be heard? Exactly.
But it was such a fundamentally different question from everybody else. So we have to acknowledge that. That was not just because I answered, but because you asked the question.
Oh, man. This is when I feel like the ancestors or the spirits who are not yet here, the ones who are waiting, they just all came through. It really does not feel like... Our idea was just conduit to let it be born because it just felt that easy. It was like as soon as we just stopped, you ask the question. It was like a portal being opened. You ask the question. We went back. We were like, okay.
Because I was exhausted. Again, frankly, honestly, I was just exhausted. I was like, I don't want to talk to nobody. Y'all can keep talking. I'm going to be sitting over here resting my vocal cords.
And from that moment, it was like, look, okay, let's figure out, like, how do we open up our contact lists and find the white women who have these enormous platforms? And how do we get them off of there? How do we get them off? That's good. We don't need them saying our thing. How do we get them out, though? But we still want their platform.
And it was amazing to think that all we had to do was ask. Yep. ask the right people who are willing to say, oh, okay, let me just move over. And again, I don't want to pretend like that was an easy thing either, because look, I feel like Instagram or social media platforms are, to some degree, feel even more sacred to people than their own homes. Isn't that interesting?
You'll invite somebody over to your house to look in your fridge much quicker than you would say, oh, go ahead and just say whatever you want on my Instagram. What if they say something crazy? What if they say something you don't like? What if they say something that's offensive? You don't know what that person's going to say. It's like, how scary is that?
The bravery on both sides of this incredible movement that we made of white women being brave and vulnerable enough to say, look, I'm going to get out the way. You're the keys to the house. You just do whatever you want. And then the bravery and tirelessness of Black women who were saying, okay, I'm going to say it one more time.
I'm going to say the truth and I'm going to be unafraid of what people are going to say about me because they don't know me. They might judge me. I'm going to say it anyway. And let me tell you, even for me, right? Somebody who's, I'm out, I'm talking, I'm saying the things. And all of the work that was going into creating this movement was I remember I called Lovey.
It was like, we had told everybody to go online at like noon or something like that. And I swear to you, it was like 1155. And I called Lovey in a panic. And I was like, oh, I forgot. I'm supposed to do it too. I remember that. I totally forgot. I completely forgot. Somehow that completely escaped me. And then I was just like, how am I going to do that? I'm so tired.
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