Brad Gerstner

So seeing a precipitous drop.

Right, so have you seen this?

You're paying attention to both markets.

Do you see this?

And what are the things we need to do in order to reverse that?

I think of it a bit like the Warriors.

If they have an advantage of recruiting all the best players in the NBA, then they can continue to win championships.

But the second that recruiting pipeline, because the brand of the Warriors gets diminished or something else happens, then they're not going to be able to recruit the best future players and you're not going to win championships.

You talk about the American dream so eloquently.

That being brand USA, right?

The right to come here and to do what you've done.

And, you know, so I hope that the feedback to this administration, it's not just the administration, it's also just how we as a country talk about immigration.

This needs to be the place that welcomes the best and the brightest, that attracts, that has a strategic plan for recruiting the best and the brightest and making sure that this is the place that they want to work.

Yes, well said.

And is it your take that that's where the president is?

Like, he's a pragmatist.

He's a believer in the growth and the ability of the United States to compete.

It seems to me that's where he is.

And he doesn't seem to me, like the reason I'm confident and I've said on this pod that I think he'll get a big deal done with China.

I mean, it seems to me he and Scott Besson are saying, listen, we need to make America great.