Brad Gerstner

We need to reindustrialize America.

We need to balance and make sure that we have fair trade, that we protect industries that we need to help build, that China helps us do that, recognizing that we have helped them do it over the course of the last 25 years.

But that ultimately, he said, the best way to understand me is I'm a great dealmaker.

Mm-hmm.

I make deals, right?

Whereas I think in other camps, there are people who are iconoclastic or dogmatic.

You know, it's the Mearsheimer view of China that there's a great power struggle.

One must win and one must lose versus this idea.

You want America to win, but that doesn't have to come at the expense of poking an eye and telling somebody else they have to lose.

Because we're that confident.

You mentioned something that's profoundly important to both of us.

You and I have talked a lot about this, the American dream.

You know, and it was, I think, Abraham Lincoln who said, fundamental to the American dream is the right to rise.

Yeah, that's right.

The belief that your kids can do better than you did.

That's right.

Right, and you've experienced the right to rise.

We've all experienced the right to rise in America.

And yet, we live at this time where because of the nature

of these technological systems.