Brad Jacobs

Or they do the opposite, and they're like, I want nothing to do with what I experience, and so I'm going to give all my power over to my partner.

And if it's a woman, you're giving to a woman, and then you lose your own compass, right?

So I call that M2 trauma.

and then m3 you take the both right you take the positive aspects of an m1 which is toxic but not only toxic there you can be strong protective decisive and if you're emotionally aware which these m2 guys are but they've given away their power then you have the best of both worlds interesting yeah i definitely think the sim thing is hot but also what's even hotter right now is this incel movement um what do you think about that there's a couple people really leading that movement right now

Yeah, I mean, look, my concerns about it are that people self-isolate, they get angry and shut down about sort of where they're at, and then they get very, what I call, fundamentalist about it.

And I think there's a path there.

where you can actually not be so reactive to what's going on and be participatory and work together collaboratively.

And I feel like the incels are not working together collaboratively.

They create their own insular environment, and then they're focused on reacting against everything around them rather than finding a way to find some collaborative event, you know, collaborative opportunities.

Yeah.

What I like to say is men don't need to be shamed.

They just need to learn how to be regulated.

Men aren't toxic, right?

They're just mostly shut down.

They're not toxic.

They just need to learn how to regulate themselves.

Yeah.

Right.

So let's not cancel men.

Let's help them learn how to regulate themselves.