Bradley Tusk

It's the way we're talking about it right now, which is how the public might perceive something, how regulators and lawmakers might perceive it, but it's also fundraising, right?

So OpenAI and Anthropic are still both privately held companies with giant valuations.

OpenAI is nearly a trillion dollars at this point.

And as they raise money...

A lot of what you just said interpreted slightly differently is very appealing potentially to investors, right?

So when you're talking about, hey, this is going to wipe out lots of jobs, what investors hear is this will be the tool instead that businesses are going to use to replace workers.

And instead, they're going to pay money to OpenAI, to Anthropic, to all of these different companies.

And so I think that the language that you use potentially to recruit employees for the New Yorker has a great piece this week on Sam Altman and a lot of the recruiting that he did at OpenAI was around the idea that he was the responsible person trying to protect humanity.

from the potential perils of AI.

That clearly does not seem to be the case.

But he used that language to incentivize people who did care about this issue genuinely to come work for him.

There's language they use with investors.

And I think what they're finding right now, and I think sometimes this is sort of the both

naivete and arrogance that you will see in the tech world, which is a lack of understanding of how their words then land with real people or with people in politics and government.

And a lot of what they're saying is now coming back to haunt them.

But the real question to me is we know that the public is concerned.

And we have seen, at least at the local level, elected officials protect consumers from things like paying for the costs of the energy needs of data centers.

But when it comes to the larger issue of catastrophic risk, states like New York and California have done some regulation around frontier models.

But some of this really needs to be done at a federal level.

And right now, we're seeing the opposite from this White House.