Brandon Epstein

It's traumatizing.

I'm going to explain what I do.

It's going to sound woo-woo, but I also want to contextualize it with the fact that I didn't believe in anything.

It's just my experience of doing this stuff for 17 years now and just seeing and feeling my way into this art that now I speak about things that the old me, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, would be like, shut the fuck up.

Right.

But so what I do with any of my clients is I bring them to a very relaxed state, you know, like think of custody, the model.

What do you do with Mike Tyson?

Like, that's what I'm doing with these guys.

Right.

So I'm bringing them almost into a hypnotic state and I'm bringing them down into this place where they finally let go.

They're no longer trying to, like, keep me out, defend, keep up this like identity they want to project into the world so they can actually get to the insecurities because I don't touch any of the beliefs that are working for them.

If someone has positive beliefs, they're successful, I don't touch any of that stuff.

All I'm trying to find is their insecurity, their fear, their anxiety, their doubt.

And so I'm just digging deeper and deeper into their body until we start to think about things they want to achieve.

It's like, ooh, what was twitchy there?

Something twitches in them.

It's like, I'm feeling like I'm getting angry now.

Why are you getting angry?

Why do we get angry?

It's because we're afraid and we're trying to defend ourselves.