Brené Brown

And so it can lead to relapse.

I mean, to me, the hardest thing I've had to learn how to do was not grief or shame,

But joy, that's the hardest for me.

Why?

Because I want to just rehearse tragedy when it happens.

In our research, we call it foreboding joy.

So when something good happens, I immediately feel this quiver of danger.

This is going to be taken away from me.

Something bad's going to happen to balance this out.

I'm gonna get sucker punched by pain if I let my guard down.

So I push away joy and that was the hardest part of my recovery.

I can tell you this, in our research, we found that over 90% of parents, while feeling a very overwhelming love for their children, immediately pictured something terrible happening to their children.

You're tucking a baby in at night.

You're overwhelmed with love and joy.

And then you immediately picture something horrible happening.

It's the same thing.

Tell me how.

I think joy for me would not be I'm having a good time.

That might be happiness or pleasure or something like that.

But real joy to me is... Like this weekend, I was with Steve.