Brené Brown

When you study – when you look at the research of people who study dehumanization, and we talked about earlier with immigrant populations, there is a circle of moral inclusion.

We are not built –

We are not hardwired to hurt each other, to kill each other, assault, rape, beat.

We're not wired for it, actually.

So in order to do that, you've got a person here inside your moral inclusion group.

In order to be okay with that, you've got to push them outside of moral inclusion to be morally excluded from somebody you see as human and worthy of moral inclusion.

And the first step to moral exclusion, moving people out of a safety zone where you don't do horrible things to them, the first way to move people out is language throughout history, as long as people have lived.

So

you hear people in this administration calling a community of immigrants an infestation, the same way we would talk about animals or rats.

And so my only limit to hard conversation is if you're operating from an ideology where women are dogs, immigrants are illegals, if you're operating from that place of moral exclusion,

You are too dangerous for me.

But other than that, I'd probably be willing to have a conversation with anyone.

But I can understand why people pick sides.

I tell you what, it is lonely.

I think you're pretty good at that because you are insatiably curious.

It's lovely and terrible.

You are.

Which is interesting because I don't expect me.

She was super vulnerable.

Really?