Brené Brown

If you really struggle with a graceful exit, we'll put this research in the, again, again, the show notes.

But I would say the shortcut here is warmth and connection and genuine warmth and connection.

I think if you have those things, it's easier to leave.

if those things are not present, I would rely on the four steps and practice it a little bit.

Because I think it's very easy for me with people I genuinely care about to say, even with people that I care about, I'm thinking about some people specifically right now, one or two people in my life who probably I don't share, we probably have different levels of how long we'd like the conversation to go.

And mine is much shorter.

Chronically.

I mean, habitually, predictably longer.

No, I think I'm just graceful in saying I loved our catch up.

I've got to run.

It was so good to see you.

No, because, no, because I think to address it chronically would be to get ahead of what they might be bringing up.

If they bring up something that's really tough or they really need me for something, I'm happy to extend that time.

But I'm, you know, I, the other thing is I'm not, one, Lent, many years ago, maybe 15, 18 years ago now, I gave up gossiping for Lent.

And I realized that I have a few very good friends and then I have a lot of friends where the connection is somewhat counterfeit because what we mostly talk about is shit around other people.

We just talk about other people in not a positive way, which is why I gave it up for Lent because it just, it actually, going back to sobriety, this is a clean little tiny thing.

I was just gonna say.

It's a cleanse.

Yeah, it doesn't work for my program.

So the folks that sometimes want more of my attention want to get my hot take on people that I'm not going to share a hot take on.