Brené Brown

How we said to each other that we're all in our own grief, which makes taking care of each other in this situation almost impossible.

that we can be empathetic with each other and we can share stories, but none of us are in the position to care for each other because we're each... Like, I'm having a hard time putting you on my back and carrying you because my grief is about 50 cinder blocks tied around my shoulders right now.

And so I think...

I mean, I think it's lucky that we all do therapy.

And I can say that because we've talked about it on the podcast before.

So it's not like I'm outing my sisters.

I mean, one of my sisters is a therapist.

But I think it also explains the rates of divorce after the death of a child.

That I think, how do you care for someone else when you're divorced?

You know, which is miscarriage too.

I mean, you know, which is, I think about the definition we use of grief in our work because I was trying to figure out the best definition in the literature.

And then when I did the qualitative analysis, it was like three things, kind of longing, lost, like everything.

there was this like very deep sense of, I don't have a mooring.

I've lost, like I'm untethered from what I would define as my ordinary life, which I thought was ordinary till now.

And now I'm desperate to get back to it.

And this kind of unmet longing for something.

It's really hard to be grounding for someone when you don't have footing.

Yes.

Say that, wait, say that again.

It's really hard to provide a source of grounding and tethering for someone when you are completely not grounded or tethered to your own life.